Head Office

Geoff Densem

Managing Director

Geoff is the founder and Managing Director of Advanced Personnel Services Ltd and is based at the company's Head Office located in Christchurch.

Geoff's association with the personnel industry goes back to Jan 1986 when he started the industrial temp staff division for Key Personnel, before founding Advanced Personnel in late October 1987. Now over 2 & 1/2 decades on and he remains the navigator/strategist behind the company that employs more than 25 permanent staff and 300 temporary on-hire personnel weekly.

Geoff considers the company's investment in a web based interface as early as 2000 has helped to keep it at the forefront of its development maintaining strategic size, a major advantage in our New Zealand market; versatile enough where we can make a decision quickly and yet reputable and big enough to provide confidence and security to our candidates and clients. Recruitment in today's market is for us about aligning ourselves with our clients and candidates utilising leading edge communications more than ever before.

With so many options around it is about adapting to change and remaining at the cutting edge in terms of technology, efficiencies, respect and offering a service second to none.

In his spare time Geoff is involved with his family, football and Motorsport.

Ryan Densem

General Manager "Acting"

Ryan first joined the recruitment industry in 2001. For the first seven years of his career he lived and worked in some of New Zealand's greatest cities supporting, building and growing the Advanced Personnel nationwide branch network before settling in Auckland in 2008.

"I have had the pleasure of working with and being mentored by some exceptional people in the recruitment field; some of the most intelligent, highly motivated people I have ever met. At the other end of the scale I have come across a number of people who wait morbidly on the recruitment industry death row, having very little commitment to the industry. My wish is to combine my knowledge and experience gained from working with those at both ends of the scale and collaborate with our permanent staff to deliver the best partnerships to our clients and candidates alike".

Ryan has trained managers, recruiters and support staff, communicated with hundreds of clients surrounding strategic workforce plans, legal and policy related matters as well as interviewing countless candidates about their dreams, careers and employment opportunities moving forward.

In his spare time Ryan enjoys mounting biking, martial arts, supporting the Crusaders and spending time with family and friends.

Paula Densem

Director - Head Office

Dear Optimist, Pessimist and Realist: While you guys were busy arguing about the glass of water I drank it, sincerely The Opportunist

I consider myself the Opportunist.

Opportunity is what drives me - I love working in the recruitment industry, each door you open is a door to opportunity

My daily work tasks revolve around credit control, processing new account applications and building relationships with our clients.

I also cover the HR portfolio. Outside work I love my rugby and league.

Travelling is a passion of mine which I always have on my agenda.

Clint Densem

IT Manager / International Resourcing Manager

I joined Advanced Personnel in July 2008 as a Trainee Computer Technician, after 2 years of living in London and travelling around Europe.

In September 2012 I was given the IT Managers role encompassing the overall view and strategy of the company's technology focus. In this role I am responsible for leading and covering all IT related activities including installing and maintaining computer hardware, software and networks while running and maintaining the helpdesk, training and consultation, future planning and development of resources.

I love the ability in the role to use ever changing technology to improve internal efficiencies and delivery of services to our clients and candidates.

In 2013 I completed a NZIM Certificate in Management and the following year began a Degree in Business Majoring in Management.

In my spare time I love to travel, car race and work on property investment and online e-commerce opportunities.

Bethania Machado

Accounts Administrator - Head Office

I have a passion for Accounting since I was very young. I started studying Accounting Technician when I was 15 years old. When I was 19 years old I started the Accounting Graduation and then MBA in Audit and Controllership.

It was 10 years studying and 15 years working for many big companies in Brazil. Now, after 4 years out of market, I am re-starting my career in New Zealand. I never run of challenges and when you are good in something, there is no board, you can do it well anywhere.

Just need to believe in yourself.

Matt Harrington

Human Resources - Head Office

Matt Harrington is the company's Human Resources lead. Prior to working at Advanced Personnel, Matt has assisted a variety of firms in the manufacturing, FMCG, sales, engineering and primary industry sectors. More particularly, he has spent over a decade with a global firm acting at both national and regional levels in both shared service and business partner roles.

Matt believes that in order to effectively wear an HR hat one must be optimistic, have a high future focus, promote practices in sync with the business structure and challenge folk to be the best they can be in terms of exceeding performance goals, upskilling and personal growth. He's also only too aware that from the outside HR people can look really very busy but nobody actually knows what they do!

His work revolves much around working with people to get the greatest organisational bang from their team, doing all that can be done to see individuals stay, play and provide plenty to create great group results.

Matt found his footsteps taking him through HR doors after working as a secondary school teacher in the first half of the '90s. Not many know that, along with his Masters in Human Resource Management/Organisational Behaviour, he's guilty of possessing an Arts degree majoring in Modern Poetry.

Away from work, he can from time to time be spotted around a game of club cricket (sometimes trying to hit the ball) or mucking about with his hard-working wife and fun-loving son on their patch of farmland south-west of the city.

Robin Duthie

Health and Safety Manager

Robin Duthie is the company's National Health and Safety Manager. Prior to joining Advanced Personnel Robin worked with Fonterra as their National Health and Safety Manager for Distribution & Farms as well as some time in H&S Management roles within Fonterra Coal Mining, Fonterra Effluent Spreading and their fertiliser operations/factory.

He comes with a wealth of experience in the construction and infrastructure sector gathered while working within the corporate H&S team of major projects at Genesis Energy. Previous to his roles in Health and Safety Robin spent a number of years in the recruitment industry working firstly as a Recruitment Consultant and then Branch Manager in Hamilton.

Having a widespread hands-on Health, Safety and environmental experience working for both New Zealand SMEs and corporates,

Robin is the driving factor behind Advanced Personnel's continuous improvement and dedication towards all things Health & Safety.

Ed Heald

National Business Development Manager - Head Office

I have over 35 years' experience in the Engineering industry. I trained as a Plastics Engineer dealing with product manufacture, processing and tooling before moving into tool and product design.

I then moved into sales, management roles, servicing, and liaising with existing customers on a regular basis and developing new business. This also encompassed technical advice with respect to materials and design and the preparation of formal quotations.

I joined Advanced Personnel in October 1996 as an Industrial Consultant in the Engineering and Manufacturing Sector. My understanding of the industry brings excellent service to both clients and candidates.

Have now moved into Management roles but still keep regular contact with both clients and candidates.

Hugo Silva

IT Staff - Head Office

Hugo is the company's business and data analyst who provides support for our IT Help Desk, while also working on projects to refine Advanced Personnel's business processes and reporting systems.

Having worked as an IT consultant and business analyst for a decade in Brazil and New Zealand, Hugo is able to draw upon a broad skillset to continuously improve business systems to meet both internal and external requirements.

Hugo has a "people-first" approach to IT and is motivated to create innovative solutions which create better working environments for employees and clients, while allowing businesses to thrive in a rapidly changing world.

In his free time, Hugo loves mountain biking, exploring New Zealand, working on building projects, learning new languages and cooking.


Whai Reti

Branch Manager - Invercargill

I was told to dress for the job I want, so now I'm sitting in a disciplinary meeting dressed as Batman. But seriously have you ever seen the two of us in the same place at the same time?

With a building and labour background I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, I have the callus's on them to prove it! This gives me an indepth understanding of all building needs and ability to provide the most comprehensive and suitable candidates/service for all clients Building, Commercial & Residential.

My experience spans 10+ years in sales, business development, contract negotiation and recruiting.

Doing the right thing, honesty and follow through are my strongest skills. I enjoy listening to clients and candidates, then recommending solutions to best fit their desires. I truly believe that I set myself apart from all other recruiters by being accessible at all times. I invite candidates and clients alike to contact me by phone, text or email ANY time of the day or night.

Contact / Email Whai about:

Brent Polaschek

Recruitment Consultant - Invercargill

Hi I'm Brent, or now better known as Wiggam (I think there's a few Simpson fans in the office here).

My most recent experiences before starting with APS has been as a HR/H&S person in the forestry/ timber milling industry and recruitment. With a background in Policing, the Army, throw in 10+ years of sales in the building and trades and many years working in manufacturing I paint a picture as a bit of an allrounder.

My strengths lie within my ability to understand my candidates and clients equally to ensure we make the right fit for each job.

In my spare time I enjoy coaching two different rugby teams.

Elizabeth Hope

Recruitment Consultant - Invercargill

Initially I "fell" into the world of recruitment when I moved to Invercargill 8 years ago and here I am 8 years later…..

I have a real passion for working with people and finding the "right person for the job".

With 8 years' experience behind me I have a good understanding of the local labour market and its people. I have worked in an "in-house" recruitment role so I really do understand what it means to get the right person for the role, just because someone has all the required skills doesn't mean they are the best "team fit".

Invercargill is a great place to live and work, we have so many opportunities and beautiful places right at our doorstep. It is an exciting time to be in the Recruitment Industry and Invercargill is expanding and growing!

So if you need me to get workers to your yard, just call me milkshakes.

Forrest Clifford

Recruitment Consultant - Invercargill

The name is Forrest Clifford or Gump if you choose!! I have 24 years in civil and commercial construction, right from fixing gib and suspended ceilings to placing 1000 cube pours. I have filled the rolls of Leading Hand, Supervisor and Foreman however the body eventually said 'now is enough'.

Fitting the right man to the task had always been a fundamental method to my on-site leadership approach to get the best outcome. I continue to use that process; really listen to our client's needs in order to provide staffing solutions that optimises the most efficient and profitable outcomes on site.

Contact / Email Forrest about:

Sarah McLeod

Reception / Admin Support - Invercargill

Who doesn't love a good story?

Especially one that starts like....Isn't it weird that we have one hand that knows how to do everything and then one hand that just sits there like " I don't know how to hold a pencil"?!

I have 10 years' experience working within administration field specialising in payroll support largely around the transport and logistics industry. My role and passion here at Advanced Personnel includes ensuring smooth and efficient operations within the branch; booking in client meetings, scheduling candidate interviews and handling invoice and payroll queries and any other general administration


Andrew Johnson

Branch Manager - Christchurch

Andrew spent 25 years in the Army as an administrator, Recruiter & HR Manager both within New Zealand and developments overseas dealing with a wide range of people and situations.

"Having served with Andrew in the NZDF I have found him to be a trust worthy extremely loyal team player who is very good at doing any task set before him, a great guy and a pleasure to work with. - Philip Mete"

After my service I was then given the opportunity to move into the recruitment industry which seemed like a perfect fit for my skills. I have experience with a wide range of roles for permanent and temporary recruitment within both the blue and white collar industries.

Recruitment is a People industry. Connecting the best person with the right business is only the first step. Candidate care and after placement service are vital to forming and maintaining lasting, productive relationships with both our candidates and clients.

I was born in Christchurch and breed in the Canterbury region. I have been back in the Mainland for nearly five years and pleased to be here.

I like to keep fit with running and mountain biking. I look forward to winter with the weekly battle on the football field and stories afterwards with the team mates.

Jeanette Beatty

Senior Recruitment Consultant - Christchurch

Initially invited into recruitment (now in my 17th year) to specialise in hospitality covering the South Island with temporary cover for establishments and permanent recruitment where needed. After 4 years I made a move to Advanced Personnel where I maintained a large hospitality portfolio for a further 6 years.

Since then have been on contract to one of our major manufacturing clients working in-house recruitment, worked with Health & Safety / ACC / Permanent Recruitment in various industries.

Late 2015 I moved back to a Hospitality portfolio along with some administration / sales and also permanent recruiting. 2018 I added some labour / driving and general manual work to my portfolio. You may say " a jack of all".

My hospitality background started in the mid 80's in hotels, moving to motels, restaurants/ cafes and back to hotels.

Covering most of New Zealand in my hospitality employment I have lived & breathed the industry in fabulous places such as Hanmer Springs, Franz Josef, Queenstown, Picton, Taupo, Auckland + more... any job in the industry I have ticked the box!!

I understand the hospitality industry extremely well and along with general recruitment am well versed in the requirements needed to recruit professional, skilled and well-presented staff for your establishment.

Contact / Email Jeanette about:

Mark Wilkins

Recruitment Consultant - Christchurch

After deciding to down tools as a carpenter and move into the labour hire business, I joined Advanced Personnel as a Recruitment Consultant in April 2012.

As a carpenter I prided myself on quality of work and I ensure the candidates I find for my clients predominately in the construction industry have quality, reliability and old fashion work ethics.

Contact / Email Mark about:

Nic McPherson

Recruitment Consultant - Christchurch

Nic recently returned to Advanced Personnel after 3 years away, he looks after our temporary and permanent technical recruitment in Christchurch and the wider South Island.

Nic believes in building strong client relationships through honesty and consistency of delivery in both the temporary and permanent disciplines.

In his spare time he enjoys work around his lifestyle block in Sefton and spending time with his wife and daughter.

Nick Pemberton

Recruitment Consultant - Christchurch

After returning from Australia where I was employed in construction remedial management I am changing my career focus to recruitment.

The motivation for the change is that I have always enjoyed helping people and solving problems. It is rewarding seeing and hearing the enjoyment in a smile or voice, making recruitment my next logical career.

With my previous employment background from farming, sales, construction and management I am able to cover a range of industries and positions. I look forward to assisting both candidates and clients to find the right fit for both parties.

Pare Rawiri-Paranihi

Recruitment Consultant - Christchurch

Pare joined the team in 2019. An accomplished Operational and Business Development Manager, she brings a wealth of Line Management, HR Consultancy experience from over 15 years in the Recruitment industry within Australia and New Zealand markets.

Pare is involved in senior level placements with a sharpened focus to further develop our industrial and Business Support portfolios across Canterbury and wider regional location across NZ.

She is extremely passionate to source the best talent and connect them with employers that truly understand the value of their people and building enduring partnerships.

Sam Dampier-Crossley

Recruitment Consultant - Christchurch

After 25+ years working on the front lines in New Zealand and Australia in operator and project management roles in Civil and Roading, I have hung up the high viz.

With all my experience in the seat I have a great understanding of the requirements and stress put on people and companies, to deliver projects on time and budget. Companies have to rely on great people to deliver exceptional results under difficult environments.

My wealth of experience and ability to partner people and projects, I look forward to helping you as an individual or Company succeed.


Chad Reay

Recruitment Consultant - Nelson

In his role as a Recruitment Consultant, Chad supports clients in a variety of industries, providing recruiting support, sourcing and screening candidates, and developing sourcing strategies.

He brings 4 years of recruiting experience to the team, having previously worked in both Engineering and Medical agencies.

He has filled a variety of roles from Hands on Tradesmen to executive positions across both industries utilizing various techniques for long term and successful placements. In his spare time Chad enjoys playing rugby and fishing.

Contact / Email Chad about:

Nelson Botas

Recruitment Consultant - Nelson

Nelson has been in the recruitment industry for over 10 years specialising in the freight & logistics industry, recruiting from operations through to senior management.

He gets great satisfaction out of partnering with both candidates and clients - facilitating mutually beneficial working relationships and developing great networks along the way. Being part of the process of finding a candidate and discovering more about them, their goals and potential and seeing it all unfold through their careers is why he loves recruitment. He enjoys a good laugh, fishing and the outdoors.

Sean Davies

Recruitment Consultant - Nelson

Sean brings ten years of recruiting experience to the Nelson Branch.

In the past Sean has recruited and managed hundreds of people for a large orchard in the area. The intensity of high volume labouring requirements on tight schedules in a competitive market like apple orchards has taught Sean to appreciate reliable workers and the employers who need them.

As a recruiter, Sean brings a solid understanding for what is required of the Nelson area trades and labouring markets.

When not at work, Sean can often be seen fishing or riding his Harley.

For competitive fast efficient friendly service give Sean a ring to discuss your requirements.

Contact / Email Sean about:

Nardina Schaab

Reception / Admin Support - Nelson

Born and raised in sunny Nelson

Started with APS in 2018 so relatively new to the recruitment industry, previously worked in childcare & retail

Mum to two very strong willed girls so there's not much out there that can shock or scare me!

Love a good adventure. Like to spend my spare time exploring nature, mountain biking & skiing

Shirley Way

Reception - Nelson

A true Nelsonian, Shirley has worked in the hospitality, education, health and manufacturing sectors. She's got plenty of daring and adventure about her and it shows in the way she brings a whole stack of excitement and energy to work on a daily basis for the good of the Tasman community.

Shirley initially started work with Advanced Personnel in 2011 and does her very best for our employees. Having had three sons, she knows what it takes to make things happen and brings a practical care and appreciation of diversity with her when it comes to candidate management. It's very hard to pull the wool across her eyes too! If it can be done Shirley reckons she can be the one who gets it done.

Shirley has 5 grandchildren and along with them and, despite the bumps that go hand in hand with it, is hooked on motocross. She has a strong love of social justice. With her outlook on fairness and balance in life, it should come as no surprise to find out she's a Libran, so let her help you out.


Jeni Perkinson

Team Leader - Hamilton

I found my passion for recruitment many years ago, people have been at the core of any and all that I do,

Diversity is the spice of life, spending several years as a specialist employment consultant I have worked in an ever changing environment and loved every minute, meeting, supporting, guiding and training people to help them find the career that truly excites them is what gets me out of bed in the morning.

10+ years in sales and design and 10 + years in construction and trades, I pride myself on building enduring relationships, doing the hard yards and I'm not afraid of rolling up my sleeves… From high heels to steel capped boots, it's all in a days work as a recruitment consultant.

Pride myself on finding the right fit, work hard to understand the needs of both the candidate and the client.

I love the outdoors, love exploring our beautiful country and the world, active relaxer, if there is a sunset and cider… I am so there. lover of music and all things chocolate.

Kate Tindle

Recruitment Consultant - Hamilton

Prior to recruitment, Kate worked in Hospitality and Event Management, where she has been the leader and developer of staff, systems, sales and marketing. Climbing the ladder from a fresh faced young bartender to managing a chain of bars and facilitating national conferences across the country. Why recruitment for Kate you ask? She has a passion for people and a drive to help them succeed in 'smashing it out the park'. She knows what hard work looks like and isn't afraid of getting her hands dirty.

Kate strives in making and maintaining good connections wherever she goes - generally achieving this with her fun, sarcastic sense of humour.

In Kates spare time, she is generally on the squash court competing.... Quite competitively....

Tom McKenzie

Recruitment Consultant - Hamilton

Tom started with Advanced Personnel in 2011.

Prior to starting his recruitment career he worked in the Transport & Logistics sector for over 20 years.

In this time he built up extensive knowledge and understanding of what is 'really required' to successfully assist clients with HR and recruitment needs.

Tom grew up in Hamilton, however spent 15 years living in Auckland.

He has now moved back to his beloved Chiefs country to continue his career.

In his spare time you can find Tom at the driving range or on the golf course hitting some balls.


Nola Walters

Team Leader - Manukau

Nola has over 10 year's recruitment experience, specialising in Supply Chain - Manufacturing, Transport & Logistics.

A born and bred Wellingtonian (and a staunch Hurricanes supporter), Nola moved to Auckland in 2013.Outside of work she enjoys a big glass of Shiraz, watching anything sport related, attending Allblacks matches, and spending time with family and friends.

With a family motto of "second is the first loser", I was brought up in a highly competitive but very humble sporting environment. I enjoy building long term relationships and partnerships with both my clients and candidates, and feel that my black & white approach allows me to deliver personalised service and results, whilst continually adding value to their direction.

Louisa Birkner

Recruitment Consultant - Manukau

Louisa has joined Advanced Personnel - Manukau, specialising in Technical Recruitment - Engineering, Automotive & IT.

Originally from Johannesburg, "Louise" has an extensive background in Sales & Marketing, with her last position (before arriving in NZ) was heading the Commercial business for Elle Magazine, South Africa. Louise has a huge love for the outdoors, especially running, hiking, paddling, mountain biking and the gym and is also a life business coach and neurolinguistics coach.

I believe that my effect skills in leadership, sales, high level customer engagement and above all my love for people from all walks of life, allows me to truly connect with them to build lasting relationships with both my clients and candidates.

Francesca Bardsley

Reception / Admin Support - Manukau

Francesca is the face of Advanced Personnel - Manukau, specialising in the day to day running of our branch.

"Frankie" lives on a small rural property in Auckland with her family, and has lots of different animals some being cattle, sheep, free range chickens and her favourite dog Charlie the Red Poodle.

In her spare time, Frankie likes to be out with her friends or spending quality time chilling with a nice glass of wine with her family.

Although I am new to the Recruitment industry, I really enjoy meeting new people and helping them find work. I believe that my calm, patient approach enables me to build instant relationships with anyone that walks into our office.

North Shore

Nivana Johnson

Northern Regional Manager - North Shore

Nivana is our Auckland Branch Manager leading our two 'City of Sails' branches. Winding back the clock , she was born and breed in Auckland prior completing her midwifery qualifications and working the first part of her professional career in the Health sector. This line of work taught her to act cool and calm under pressure and a working attitude whereby no mountain is too high.

Following a career change in 2015, Nivana transitioned into Recruitment, working with one of New Zealand's largest recruitment agencies before joining Advanced Personnel. She has been actively involved in both strategic and hands on blue collar and healthcare recruitment during her career and works with a transparent, communicative approach with clients and candidates.

Nivana believes her greatest strength in the recruitment field is that no single approach is right for all clients. "The old one stop shop has had its day. I enjoy working in partnership with clients, listening (really listening) to companies needs and challenges to provide a collaborative first class solution, from front line right through to executive management personnel."

When not working you will likely see Nivana hanging out with her family and friends, or patrolling the beach as a surf lifesaver or running up and down a netball court.

Csabi Szalay

Recruitment Consultant - North Shore

(Chubby) (Don't even try to pronounce it...)

Csabi joined the Advanced Personnel North Shore team in early 2018. He is originally from Hungary (please don't crack the joke 'how can you be Chubby if you are always Hungry'). Csabi has a Master's degree in International Relations and Media, so not just a pretty face. He lived in London for 6 years before he moved back with his Kiwi wife to New Zealand in 2011.

He self-proclaims Jon Snow from Game of Thrones looks like him, six pack included, although just cooling in his fridge waiting to be opened.

Csabi loves Recruitment because his career passion is helping candidates succeed as well as allowing clients to receive the best candidates. The adrenalin rush that comes with placing a candidate in fulltime employment is what makes Csabi tick. He has been successful because he looks after his candidates and builds long lasting relationships with his clients.

When he is not at work, you can spot him surrounded by his French bulldog in pubs, vineries, or on the beach. They are like Don Quixote and Sancho Panza. Go up to them to say hi, who knows they might be able to help you to land your dream job!

John Oswin

Recruitment Consultant - North Shore

John saw the light and moved to the land of the long white cloud approximately 3 years ago.

John brought with him a long list of experience having spent the last 15 years working in construction recruitment in London.

Through his career he has carried the ethos of going that extra mile for clients and candidates, and that recruitment is not a nine to five job.

He is a passionate supporter of the Mighty Reds (Liverpool Fc). But we are sure that with time we can convince him to support the mighty All Blacks!

Ronique Breedt

Recruitment Consultant - North Shore

Ronique is a passionate dynamic recruitment consultant enriching Advanced Personnel with her knowledge in White-Collar recruitment, specializing but not limited to the Finance niche.

Ronique is South-African born and bred, she has a Post-graduate degree in Psychology and a Pre-Graduate degree in Psychology and Labour Relations, instead of trying to help mend peoples pasts she is aiming to improve people's futures by assisting them in finding that dream opportunity. She has a warm and approachable energy putting the human feel back in business.

Building and keeping warm relationships with clients and candidates is something she keeps at the top of her priority list, she believes in face to face contact to establish a working relationship.

Outside of work you will find her at the beach, in the woods or on any sports field.

Sarah Tong

Recruitment Consultant - North Shore

Sarah Tong is specialized in recruiting for talents with bilingual language skills (Chinese & Mandarin).

Prior to joining the company, Sarah had 16+ years of experience in Recruitment and HR management in Fortune 500 companies. She is certified in Competency-based Interview Skills, Targeted Selections, as well as DISC Profiling skills. She also has abundant experience in hiring all levels of positions, ranging from lower skilled operators to senior level positions such as Directors/General Manager across industries such as IT, Electronics, Construction, Pharmaceutical, Medical Devices, Finance, Operations, Real Estate and Hospitality.

Outside of work you will most likely see Sarah, her husband and daughter playing tennis, badminton, travelling and going to church together

Dale Hobson

Business & HR support / H&S Advisory - North Shore

Dale begun her work with Advanced Personnel as a part-time receptionist, now playing a hugely central role across the North Island team as Support Consultant extraordinaire, assisting as need be across a wide variety of areas including recruitment, training, payroll, HR and office administration.

Dale has decided to take her first run at tertiary education in 2018 targeting a Diploma in Business Studies with Massey University. No luck needed but any fingers crossed in hopes of her success is appreciated!

She considers herself a people person who really loves helping others and keeping busy.

After work and study any spare time is spent sharing a cold Heineken with friends and family, going camping and 4WD driving with her partner or reading (currently her Kindle has Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan bookmarked).